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The viewing legacy of prison International in to be produced with the cooperation of the Overseas Press Club of America this is a series of informal on rehearsed interviews on problems and issues of international interest between our panel of newsmen and our special guest moderator for this series a seymour end Siegel and sitting in for Mr Siegel is David Helen's fine. But evening and welcome to another edition of INTERNATIONAL interview hours thing we should guest this evening is program as His Excellency ambassador Castro the permanent representative from Brazil to the United Nations welcome to the program Mr honest writers and now the panel of newsman will introduce themselves I am male Leon then on the newspaper enterprise Association. George get Associated Press. I'm Richard and direct Broadcasting Corporation correspondent for the U.S.. And now Mr Denning last first question Mr Ambassador you want to chairman of the Security Council in the Russia's invasion of Czechoslovakia. Now if you're like is a member of the United Nations and the Russians a sterling. A violation of the United Nations resolution the United Nations charter and what. Is this sudden silence about the whole matter do you think the Security Council or the general assembly will take up the Russian invasion again. Although it's a very important question I think that in the presentation. The council met the challenge. Of the visual check Lavaca by six member states. And then who. Do the chapter. As allusion was present and then. On the ending of the Soviet invasion as a violation of the. Draft was made to the fact that unit of the members of the also pack should be called upon. The solution was locked. Because of the provisions of awful twenty seven of the charter which is states that for the approval of resolutions have. Five. Of the family members of the council. Those. Forms of it was of the chapter. The mother son Council. Of the question. And. Until the council formal meeting decides that. The. Presented by the government. Was not acted upon by the Security Council saw the council second ecologists to seize. All the quests on Czechoslovakia. The may meet in the moment. By the members of. The possibilities of having these might. Arrive at. The agenda of the General Assembly. Question. Technically the Council of the matter. Beneath the action. Of the Uniting for pieces of. The seven is. To have the matter. To the consideration of that assembly to the best of my knowledge to this point no country in the. And action in that direction but of course not to be excluded. But it's come by did time the United Nations. They Czechoslovak breakfast in the country will be strangled by the Russians at the United Nations X. much more swiftly when a little nation is involved don't you think that this is a matter that should be brought immediately to the General Assembly while I share you upper hand. Because of the. Council did not in this has. Happened Before act on the matter as far as the question being presented to the General Assembly I think. It is. See the weather not be better to leave the matter after the Security Council. Until the dust settles. And that we have a small passage. On the cost to be taken. I say though the second stuff that I have been the pres of the last month. The delegates of my. Dogs and announcing the. Invasion and then demanding prompt action. From the Security Council from any OG and of the United Nations we would have a say and an action. Question now from Mr get. Mr. Nations taking a rather hostile attitude towards the Soviets throughout this whole. Affair. And I want a few for CD Nations lining up against the Soviet Union in this dispute. While I don't think it is a question lying against anybody and I don't think that in this moment that I am for an international descent to be the proper. Moment for a group of nations to line up against another group of nations. That act. Probably what they let the back of nations cannot be followed by death of the. Probably what they let the American nation be to lag not. Because of what is impossible to. Depress with of the chapter of the United Nations but some basic principles of international law because of principles of international law all that existed even before the chapter of the United Nations probably what the conditions of the incidents. In the US at the principles of nonevents and. Of no use of thought that they get all the way and the question is what is the. Free the. Human rights because of what they feel is important this is what and. The invasion of Czechoslovakia itself although it's a very vague may have been left. Having voted just to fight. It so I set foot in. The defense of the Security Council in Damascus last of this I do so with that Anaconda the last paragraphs on the chapter as this was a map of the. Math that is all of the Russell packed power well this is a petition definitely not accept because we've done now is prepared to present of Brazil not this but also because we cannot accept the theory that my says that they are a seaside admitted that a fact or a police station outside of the United Nations on the company you cannot say that the. Security Council because of our products that of the job and that people be the judgments for. The troops. So that when we speak on the map will be to see this the if it is of the United Nations. To make because I'm of the chapters of the United Nations to which provision all countries pledges. The council. Expected to whack grumpily as have the pragmatic responsible for the maintenance of the. Question now from the. Well these are. Technical my stage. I find that these technical nice days are absent on the other side where several hundred thousand men just walked into a country and throughout mankind without enforcement has been nothing now what can the United Nations be without enforcement except debating forum and at best a lightning rod for. National prestige and emotions. And of course. We have very often in the past and in the base of the General Assembly didn't. Have wanted out of the shutdown of the presidency and. We have made quite explicit. However I should say on the business of experience on this blog. That Nations. That document the political realities and the main concepts of the. Babies and on the maintenance of these. Jackasses. Well I think the chance that wasn't put on this movie by ball will observe the positions its provisions made on see the ball go get so many fields and get as much drama as the men can but the fact is that on Sept of the security system of the job as it has not the way that the budget for the system needed that stuff. And I still fall off a city has never been organized because of the difference appears among the great powers but the whole Ab of the job was to get to the alliance the minute that I lie and some of nine hundred forty five it was babies a day on the streets from the assumption that that would be into my school of what Asians among the five. Family members of the Security Council as a matter of fact in San Fransisco when the Dems of the chapter where disgusted as it was to the very strong that they are that activist. And that's are opinions of they but what do we see that is that the vehicle. Was the price that this small nation had to pay for the second one is asian that is only a symptom of because I've been with them on the politics not because of the presidential dead being a collaboration among the great powers to respect the terms of the chopper the problem would not have a reason by the serious fact of the situation is that these cases in some cases for the violation of the taps. Or the Bill Nye said Nations was a dual one that's of one of the family members run of the Bam unit memos on the home. The chapter plays the pragmatic responsibility for the maintenance of what is and. That's the problem when the very serious problem as five has collected at the. Hands of the Me I come back on it so I can drop the thing very quickly. Then not too usually say they say that the United Nations actually is an organization limping along with only part of its establishment. Role with that's a perfect case of say that. As you said that some are going some are going to some of the United Nations where it never properly created and never became operational Yes because that's the cause was what happened. Was. The creation of the United Nations. Called. Was against the. Rocks they are going to say she was of us but allies of this action because of the finalization of the Security Council was. That I said some of the powers of the Security Council through the Jem'Hadar semblant whenever the council was brought by the open east of the principle of in the name of this was that that is a Lucian C. seventy. Which is generally known. As a delusion. But this is one of the solution which might possibly be at this time. The. QUESTION If we can solve that by the General Assembly and I have this. Question now for Mr Dan. What is the thinking in the United Nations here is a case of Russia violated brutally the independence of another country Moreover Russia change the. Situation. Certainly this is the time. The United States ever. Do you think that Brazil or any other country can. Ask you ton or whatever is in charge of this to call the General Assembly to discuss the issue is Russia's invasion of. Opposition is the constant. Of the mouth. A moment. Members of. The Whether the council is in a position. But of course a member of the. United Nations is in fact the wax on the inscription of Annika and did a similar This has to be approved by the majority of the members of the United Nations request is made for the second set agenda. For the assemble a. Meeting from Vienna to the phone. To wake. Them up to be put at that moment Jeff as I was off now to the best of my knowledge no nation has the at the shaded action on that and it's possible. That a Geisha and to wait for the convening of the General Assembly to follow so September so that with the presence of the of many for the meanest of the heads of the negation a week after raise all of this question might be made in the line of the fence which would take place after that they I don't think that the idea is excluded and may be the proper action to take gas that is off now that is a plan true although the evasion object of act as was and was the steady fact not only because of the violation of the charter but also because we thought the Security Council accept the clock back for many it. The vote wisely because of the. In spite of all that no action has been to the shape that we had in the wait. For how long that. Most people lost that a Gates must that are present tense wait the atmosphere. Of the opening so that the raids on the position I'm afraid the Czechs can hope to get very much of the United Nations but some of Mr Ambassador says Russia is not directly involved in the Middle East what do you think is this if you Asians are going to be there can the United Nations bring. Israel together he said of having a fight till the time I used to hope against hope. As a matter of fact I think. The council acted last the statesmanship. And. Patience and understanding of the base. And active all settlement in that is and. I think there's a Lucian still the best the safest speed that's costly solution and. As a secretary general. Has a part the special representative. Side. Of the. Problems and. We the council has been in much of this by the sense violations of the. Going out. And he's expected to act on this map a week. One point however which. Bale supplies I was a mess and the didn't that are present day before yesterday had the books and it was that's quite clearly before the Security Council is applied the noms they gauging that they had it was an alms escalation of C.D.'s possible consequences which mean the the. Nation the addicts because why don't we see that the Council on that make it feel. They owe observe the Sion of this is a spy to be commanded by. The fact that the both sides but this isn't I'm a man on the implements of law from the mid to file and we made that I feel one month ago I read today that. Yesterday before the Security Council we made an appeal to all of the major problems to see if they could reach an agreement ot at least another sense on the all of them false and Question of the supply of bombs to the company. Whether they. Stopped them altogether out that I had to regulate them or balance them either way but I think that in these as in on many of them either no progress. Or into the police Bill Readdy is among those that issue for you to go reality without a basic understanding among the major powers. Whose that is. Specially affecting the at this question of the race. Of the most. And we see that the Security Council. Cannot keep the forgotten. Even out of this issue which is very delicate to me nor bad to be to the minds prompt action from the Security Council that was the position of the state and why did it again still busy. Two days ago. Question now from Mr getting on of the subject Mr Ambassador what are the prospects of Regina King admission to the UN This year. Well. It's hard for me make. Props of that. This deal does not support the admission of China. But. That China qualifies as a state. To the best of my knowledge I don't think that there has been a substantial change in the position of the diffidence densities and anyhow the printing that it decision taken. By the general Sam But is that such an admission to the. Majority. If China has never yet been that was he said it was simple much I think. In my opinion the chance that China's vision these prisoners leave. On the political map as a result of the very modest profits. Slimmer than they were a year ago or about the same I would say about the same but I always because of the facts of the. Situation in the southeast and also because of the fact of the operation of the simple. I don't think. That it likely. Is a. Question from surrendering Well the U.N. organization countless not only the General Assembly and its organs but also if I feel you need it and relate it to technical organization some likely the National Labor Office taken over from the past and created alongside with the UN Have you ever noticed Mr Ambassador in your daily work the UN. Harmony are concrete achievements reached in the technical. Branches of the UN education labor et cetera have a beneficial effect on the political atmosphere always think that the organization. For reform very valuable where. Many of the hour on benefit from that wacky but we should say there's a guy we have invented does up by the results of the second who won't vote for them. We have made specific proposals. Not been fought in the. Lead up. To this step of the now it's in the say that I think the second deal that was small. Because of the fact that has not been the. Will of the mod advances. To accept. In all practical consequence the. Principles of development. Less international so that it develops in the field. Of economic development less we passed these a stage of the thing the stage of the. One moment. The. Object of the prospects for. The and I think that's one of the tasks before the nation's obesity problems also. That he's a sense. Because of that is also the finance but that's one of the other technicals and is a. Possibility. I do would it be an oversimplification if I concluded from what you have hinted at. Technical progress scientific and economic progress one thing and can go on until late hits the barrier of politics and then it told on. Well that's always been extent but the fact is sometimes politics. Going on presented a politics and that in the vicious cycle. But delay sets an extent that what has happened is that the but and this is all that the seeing the Gulf and what not all into the fires of the east and west. We see react Demi's way points on many. Division the lines in the head that are similar to sponsor the east west but the but the rival did not solve spot. Them but Oldfield you say like the question of nonparticipation. The question of what the knowledge and experience has shown that the use it is subsidized it's going sideways time that we. Then the alignment that was not between these and west not solve the battle between the. Saw that in spite of the question of the ideological the vengeance and also of the economic despotic days you'll have. The night of Nation's. Best. Open between the users of the major Palos and the. Small up well that's another angle of the man the defeated. Conflicts and the fitness of opinions which path across the whole spot in the United Nations organization. Thank you Mr Ambassador for being our guest today would run out of time for more questions our distinguished guest today on international interview has been his Excellency ambassador Castro from a representative from Brazil to the United Nations and now our panel of newsman has included. Beyond Dan and the newspaper enterprise Association. George getta of Associated Press. And Richard and director of the Swiss Broadcasting Corporation. Thank you for being with us on international interview this week and we'll see you again next time. 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