![Jesse and Nathaniel Bar Yaacov are 18-year-old autistic twins. They are entitled to schooling until they are 21. After that "[t]hey call it falling off the cliff," says their mom Jenny.](https://media.wnyc.org/i/800/0/l/85/1/autismselects-8.jpg)
Audrey Quinn is a WNYC health reporter, adjunct professor at the NYU journalism institute and the host of the new podcast Aftereffect which tells the story of a severely autistic man who was shot at by police in Miami, along with his caregiver, and how it traumatized him and affected his care. Stephen Shore, professor of special education at Adelphi University and author of Beyond the Wall: Personal Experiences with Autism and Asperger Syndrome, joins the discussion to talk about how families can navigate support after reaching the so-called "services cliff," when autistic adults lose access to many programs provided in school.