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Well again this is Larry Laver speaking to you from the convention hall today where. Visiting the American Institute of Architects and our first guest is the distinguished architect Frank Lloyd Wright who has just completed an address to architectural students assemble at the Waldorf Astoria we're privileged we've been granted this exclusive interview with Mr Wright and will hit on a lot of subjects he's been around for eighty three years he's experienced Well most everything in life I suppose and perhaps you pass along the way now Dr Wright How long have you been an architect going to cut out the. High. Left right objects to the term Dr he said he much before as the title of architect and so from here when it's going to be Mr Wright Mr Wright how long you've been an architect Oh I think since nine hundred ninety three I only found. Eight hundred ninety three that of events sixty years wouldn't it be. Just about. What exactly as an architect and your definition of the time when writing an architect is really the pattern go for a civilization are at least the culture of a civilization is the form giver upon his quality as a creative designer depends about the civilization gets in the way of the culture I see and our architects fulfilling their mission according to your definition their own fortune and then being a little too much educated and not enough experience to get into practicing architecture and I was a little pink slip given by a college which hasn't been too good for the profession. It's resulted in rather superficial chasing after effects rather than a deeper and a finer thing than for the most part you feel that the Architects aren't fulfilling their mission in life. I'm rather afraid the dip recession at the present time is a rather a no and. There's a lot of youth entering into the profession all over the United States and we have reason to hope for quality rather than quantity it touched upon that point of quality as opposed to quantity and you address to the students now tell me do we ever get come to the case where quality and quantity are blended and harmoniously of course quantity can be modified by quality but one quality is destroyed by quantity then the thing is too big no matter what it is because it in bankruptcy can only survive on the basis of quality. Well over here in America I thought under democracy. We've we go in for quantity. Give a lot of things to a lot of people more cars more people more washing machines and more how it is and things of that sort. Yes And we're also going on from our people last year. Three million five hundred thousand babies were born I understand so quantity is going to swamp quality if we don't because it becomes more and more difficult to qualify as it increases and so does democracy and never was intended as a mass production it was based upon individuality and from the quality of the individual protected by government ruled by the best. Comes. Free life than. Always. Free Life is not necessarily have free for all. What exactly is a free life in your definition Well it isn't the life that somebody allows you to have or somebody gives you it's something that you work out from within yourself freedom isn't a thing it can be conferred people can get out of your way but they can't give you freedom that's something you must work from within yourself it's a condition. And it's a good deal more spiritual than physical and I'm afraid that we don't have too much of it in our mass production and in our country now growing so big Mr Wright. Pressed me is the sort of man who is quite happy you're content content with your work you are content with your output. Have you any any tips to pass along to other people cheating that same happy state of affairs state of mind well content is not the word to use connection with me and happy I think you might use it because I think every man is happy to sound his work I've found mine and work and living in accordance with a certain beliefs I find extremely satisfying and entertaining I wouldn't say. Success can be had on any other basis or freedom she spoke of a moment ago. A matter of fact isn't freedom having your work loving or work living or work I think it is very large and without it certainly there is no freedom. I think you're right in that respect but many people will tell you that while they are economically unable to carry on the work they like to what answer you have have you for these people when I wouldn't have much respect for those people I believe that the economic question is one to be solved by the individual within himself to I think that all is there is plenty of room for a genuine expression of quality in our country yet and this genuine expression of quality you feel in the long run will benefit the country and humanity as well as the individual concerned but I think freedom for the individual and for humanity consists primarily and just that tell me Mr WRIGHT What exactly have you been striving for driving at through the years your creative work according to your definition of the term architect you're the man that can see culture you feel it within yourself and you apparently express it or try to express it what do you see ahead for us well I think that a culture of course is. Civilization as a way of life but a culture is what you do to make beautiful and of course the job of an architect and it's been my job is to try and make that way of life beautiful and I believe there's no more rewarding effort and less and just trying to make what you do how you do it beautiful. Speaking of the O.T. This is a very good time to mention. Drawings here and Mr Wright from their early modern galleries to be used for the museum housing the Solomon golden high in foundation collection happy to tell us a bit about the work that's gone into this and your own words describe the building I'd be at a loss Well it's rather difficult to describe an organic building it has to be seen to be understood but this museum is being planned has been a process of planning now for seven years it was meant to Guggenheim ceiling and it's a great building appropriate to this Fall of art in which he was so greatly interested should be built to help further the cause of that art which is called nonobjective the lack of a better term meaning which are painting a form of painting which is to the. Music is for the year and which depends upon no representation of objects whatsoever. Believing. In line and color and language that may be employed to produce great and beautiful effects he believed in a need facing that future he was laughed at everybody thought that he was more or less touched as they say crazy when you think only American millionaire and it was ever a case in the future and we can believe most of them going back to Vienna and collected that thing it was respectable and he believed in the thing and he believed in and facing it and left eight million dollars to keep it going into the future when he was gone. I suppose then you feel that he died happy. Well I think happened is does consist in faith in something belief in something and the capacity and ability to make something happen. He said and I had that quality tell me this at this point I like to recall something you told me a few minutes earlier before you get on the air and that is you want to establish some new measure for age that right yes that's quite right I think. Civilization where age becomes a disqualification as such very far to go I think age is something not by years altogether. I think production we should be the standard by which you judge a man's age when you say. The term of course arose in the provinces where there are horses and cows and chickens and they speak of the animal and the animal they don't speak of man spiritual creation and they don't speak of. What really constitutes the true man I only speak of it animals of course by that I don't think he should be judged it's only as he achieves as he goes older he developed more power. And is a richer and more desirable individual to know that we have a culture our civilization rights respecting. Moving from that and I surely appreciate that statement moving from that I'd like to ask your opinion that he's. Are they here to stay. Or are they getting too large are they going to slowly disintegrate and go back to. Their man nothing is here today I hope and I hope most of all this is not long. Because end it all our advantages become this event said and tell us now it's a time consuming soul destroying incident in human life. I can see no benefit. From now on at least for the pig piling which takes place in the City thank you very much Frank Lloyd Wright distinguished American Great Architect it's been wonderful speaking to you this afternoon and now it's time to say so long from convention hall next week we'll be back at six thirty Thursday with some more interviews from the architects convention at the Waldorf Astoria we found quite interesting and I think will be worthwhile listen this is Larry lifer.