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Mind. Over music. Is Wednesday night a day means that it's time once again for another presentation from using a combination of fun and musical fact. We've assembled a group of experts a lot of musicians who know all the whys and wherefores of music and it will be up to them to come up with the answers but before we begin we'd like to tell you that mind over music is going on vacation for a full month so this will be our last show until Wednesday night October fifth at eight thirty now here's our mind over music John Savage. Thank you and before we introduce our panel of guests this evening I'm going to get things started as usual by tossing out a question raise your hands if you know the answer to this one who originated the piano recitals. This handle Let's let France list exactly well as the head was introduced they did they hear me by the way I was in had to have my elbows on the table we get this and a list of rules to follow here which you did and he broke in the first one right but you got the exit correct and that's what counts well to handle formally assistant conductor of the New York Philharmonic who joins the Dallas Symphony this coming season as prominent conductor as the introduced himself so let's tell you about the rest of our experts first run and do well known composer of both serious and popular music who counts among his successes April in Paris the music of the show cabin in the sky a list about eight feet long about the melodies and then Oscar brand W N Y T Don't troll this show but there are who's making quite a name for himself in the folk song world not around good name but he is making a name for itself and he's making his second appearance here on mind over music now finally our audience guest for this week when a pretty young who is an outstanding musician herself and is giving a piano recital Carnegie Hall in December what is the date of that again this year December third sempre third at Carnegie Hall for the piano recital Now if this is the last show we're doing for a month there'll be no audience question tonight but last week was arranged the music dramas in the Ring Cycle in their correct order you remember that mission. And I'm a dance to you but I like that and what does rhyme go out they got here a sacred and got them wrong OK now this evening you get ten points for each question answered correctly there are no prizes dull and consulates not. Some of you may know that our customers to begin with a scene from an opera and it will all look over here to right or left as good as maybe we find an operatic cast waiting for it here fresh from the Metropolitan fresh anyway and they're going to do one of these mind of a music operas that has no music and it's all in English what you should be able to dandified by what goes on in the conversation so that's our first question raise your hands when you know the answer what is the name of this office yes I believe you are you've got to forget what happened you know you've got an angel in that dress I don't think I've changed that much or somehow you seem different I guess it must be that I'm in love in love with me don't say that let's face the fact that you're still the love with another girl you can't possibly care for me but I swear that I've really forgotten how she doesn't matter at all do you mean tell me now let me tell you what I do you know what do you hope for heaven's sake she's fainted we say something speak. Cries they're opening. Stilted. And. My man what was I only dream you know everything's all right you were upset and imagine that you heard feelings voice. As friends that's when a girl marries presented by Procter and Gamble they push your so-called black you put your face life imprisonment after that anybody have any ideas on that No No Well it is that time me we can guess now yes it's all wide open now to handle it sounds awful but I would make of that guess it really is malice and I know we've had them on they were down one day do well they've got a nice mail call afterwards and no well we'll tell you what's mean you know and we'll tell my sister talking things over a lot our opera now let's hear the music to listen to it starting with you Mr Do you know if all the words which had unsuccessful first performances were immediately discarded we would be minus some of our favorite compositions now the Premier's of the following works were all absolute fiascos So starting with you Mr Duke all we want you to do is identify this collection. I wonder if you'd mind coming right into that that's what I saw excuse the coronation scene from from bars going off from bars good not very good very good indeed OK no that was a fiasco when it started now Mr Brand coming to you you're satisfied with that answer that was good enough for me I like waiting for Pope John Paul I could tell by looking at him even if it was good enough for me I'm afraid you're going to bore us before they even know oh OK Boris gotten off and we move with one for you Mr brand identity by this fiasco I. Think it's from the front the one sense and he wrote very good very very frank tonight oh brother. That is that was that originally a folk song or how did you happen to know. Well frankly I helped Mr Frank when he was working on this originally frontally which you may miss to handle his one for the. Back of the press conference me so I couldn't cry and we're not having any trouble with these at all Miss young one for you. One of my neighbors know you didn't know that Mrs Young how about you a Mr Nettle Magic Flute MARK So Kate the Magic Flute seems already about or it seems funny to us today to realize that those were all flops at the time you know by now you must have heard of our eccentric printer friend who writes the scripts were beginning to think we could make a small fortune by publishing his boners but for the present would like to give you some of the THERE ISN'T have you correct them starting with you Mr Duke there is an error in this statement somewhere the fact that our legal boy still and you set the better they were about the same age may account in part for the success of the operas on which they collaborated. Must be an error in there somewhere he said the exact quibble typing Well the only operators I know they collaborated on was. That his own opera was Mephisto fairly but I don't know which was which is this which is the more the better known OPERATOR They collaborated on that age was not the same boy who was younger that's what we want to know that's right what about thirty years younger oh OK now we've taken care of that one Mr Brand a statement for you the overt your Leonora number three was first heard when Beethoven the only opera Fidelio had its first performance in November of eighteen five I don't believe that number three was heard with the operator always written afterwards that's very good like that I wanted to be going to do it right was when the folksongs arrive I mean we put some into night for us Luke they all fly number three on out of my name assigned all the questions. You know I could live to get if we want to put them in if we know you're going to do this well now Mr Handel Alexander Schneider and Ralph Kirkpatrick were heard in an outstanding performance of Beethoven's on piano four hands arrangement of the gross a few Opus one hundred thirty four No I don't think that could be because Mr Schneider I think Mr Schneider is the violinist of the team and that's right he's a violinist you know if young talent trouble one of the most brilliant American stars of the Metropolitan Opera was the soloist in a performance of the Brahms outta Rhapsody. Well I couldn't be so because she's a soprano things about Mary and nobody knows the trouble trouble you say oh I would bet money there's plenty of talk about it but I'd remind me of hell and high water which one you mean trouble. Yeah sorry I started all this. She started it all we may say the penalty with good enough quite a while ago OK now let's get back to our dramatic cast bring them back from the mothballed they're going to tell us about a musical personality we won't tell you any more about it except that you may have to go from one musical field to another to find out who it is but you should be able to guess or raise your hands on this who is this musical personality this young lady is speaking about people tell me I'm wrong about this man but I know they are the ones that are wrong yes they laugh at me when I say that he's one of the greatest revolutionary forces in the history of music but I'm content to sit back and let the future answer them in the first place though he's a composer conductor he's certainly not like any other composer conductor you would ever come across these music though there are some who say it is if you think it all is so well so different most of the time there isn't even any school for his musings to eat just a handle well. Well that can be one of two depending upon his last phrase any score for his musicians to read well you level it down to two I think that's pretty good it's like it was one of the well. No no you wouldn't OK let's go on an end this to handle B. I'll try to get it done in one of the Let us know when you have it well the musicians just seem to close their eyes and let a constant deep within them. But I know he's great why just look at the following he has and all of them dressed alike too is that his music with some kind of cult or a goatee stock glasses did anyone want to brand sounds like they had to say them they all might be violent Do you know the Brits do there's a guy that is ego let's be exactly OK sort of you've got to go tease in the beret those are the. Sort of a house of David arrangement Oh I want to go to these nights right they go to immediately marks a bebop specialist whatever that may be and I hope we don't get into it discussion of it there's even more music to listen to now and I was walking through Washington Square the other day thinking of the art exhibits thereabouts during the spring so it could be more natural for us down here at any rate than to find out a basis for our next question so now we're going to paint a picture the first work will tell you what kind of a painting it's going to be the rest will give you ideas about what we're going to put in our answer to the Mona Lisa So starting with you must do what kind of a painting is would this one be. Well one of the pastoral nature of the spring by but he tells it well that's right we're painting the picture so a pastoral on landscape would be sufficient and why would it be of a pastoral nature because it is a passage from the Pastoral Symphony of bed told there you go Mr Bradshaw we're going to find out about putting some things in this landscape of ours. That's the handle says I should know if I want to why he says you could I ask him why why should I don't understand well I'll tell you because you're a very good focus on men and this is a piece that has in it some shaker folk songs in its Appalachian Spring board called them I don't know what exactly mean you placed on the land except people where oh no Appalachian no would mean mountains in MO I said No I didn't fight it out there to handle fight it out maybe you can get me yourself you're not known as. OK we don't have a landscape with a mountain and we've got to put things in a more more needed than just amount of mist and in most of those guys they fall to the because the result is a book deal and so he does something else to put it. Down to Bach Chorale probably a good morning I think I don't I don't know them is a bit young this young has it why not put a cherry China's Shad church in some shape outside say things right I think there is a good it's run by you know great you have by by All right we've gotten mountains in the picture we've got she's in the picture we gotta have something more this young here is yours. Every Hashim want to know now you know what I don't give a clue didn't need it you told an A.B.C. I don't see a cloud it's clouds answer or in French the age of. The clouds I mean how does our faith. Clouds mountains in this landscape of ours what we paid that thank you and you and your new eyes that's right now let's take just a moment to remind you who our guests are for this evening you're listening to mind over music and our guest tonight the composer Vernon Duke the folk singer Osco brand the conductor Walter handle and our guest from last week's audience the pianist Winifred young May we remind you also that this will be the last show for a full not the next mind over music broadcast will be presented at eight thirty and note the change in time eight thirty on Wednesday October fifth and now back to John Savage you know as we attempt to prove each week mind over music means keeping our minds on all kinds of music so let's take a quick trip up to Broadway and taken a couple of shows best to do starting with you tell us the name of the show in which the following takes place a poem by Emma Lazarus is sung by Alan McCleary. Miss Liberty very well done just a brand a Shakespearean play is produced right on the stage Kiss Me Kate and I think if Oh yes of course and I missed the handle a lieutenant from Philadelphia finds that his upper class background prevents him from marrying the girl he loves not South Pacific no nothing opposite the right to tell the tenant and I knew it was around if I didn't see it all I know was the score but you joined a number of other people who haven't seen it it's yes he's a lieutenant cable you know that's that young man I haven't had a terribly terribly OK nice boy going to education this young and I know that any man is young which show features such disparate organizations as the Rutgers football team in the MAC Senate they think beauty good happens I don't know Mr and I but in shoes I agree with Jerome Robbins by way of very good OK we took care of the Broadway questions All right still thing in the field of life music as a more or less a genuine collection to you Mr Brand not a real collection not a real gem like. Oh. We're going to have some folks and step in starting with you though Mr Duke I would like you to identify this folks. I'm afraid of folks saying it's not my fault and I feel like a good thing that a bonafide folk singer Oh yeah. Lives in Kentucky. That I didn't know I could get on the phone but I thought he lived for the thought of and if that's John Jacob Niles off with but they're not now that that I don't think you got on board how do you like that that was Richard diabetic I mean having lived through the fog I don't know really that I got a letter in the record I'm not going to sound more like John Jacob and I'll never do that it would force the lives of Aspen Colorado there now it's a part of you know if. I want to change my state. OK I'm going to see if you can pull off a folk singer for you because I want to change by saying I'm an easy one I'll give him a difficult still together didn't we we have a folk singer I hope you're going to benefit by this one anyway first of all going to. Your Yeah. I believe it's all Robinson very good well as you said he's John had to be one of the greatest of all of your works on appropriate for Labor Day which comes as we get I'd listen is this a paid commercial sounds like you just know I'm going to Labor Day just ahead no one but you wouldn't vote. For. Her Or I mean you're twenty. Couldn't bear to be around with your one. And all. Around with yours. Your I bow before the expert was that oh you mean Oscar Oh I mean Austin Well I believe that's Carl Sandburg That's right singing a horse named Bill Morris named Bill to the tune of Dixie the charming John it's called the crazy song to the tune of Dixie It is not a subtitle it actually that's the real title Oh I think oh OK well we've taken care of Carl Sandburg Earl Robbins and Richard Dyer benefits young how you want folk songs with you do this one I'm. Sorry. Might be parallel absolute it might indeed describe if you have a record album you don't have a record at all nor have many people give it to you on the way do you very well and some of the record began to act out last week if you remember we gave all our guests a chance to display their vocal prowess to my five popular demand no expense and very little effort we're going to bring try this once again this time though all of you lucky guests are going to sing theme generally associated with each of these musical characters I don't know how you are on singing risk to do it but the radio or. This may be something of a conspicuous first part of your single you know for the first time of course I don't want to because because last thing. I'll just read on all go. That's the operative that I personally hate FRAPS more than any other I absolutely refuse. You know it goes well I think I have an idea but I could not possibly be saying well that for my debut they know I hate it too don't ask me miss that I'm not united What do you think it is well I like it but I don't know of any horn players that particularly relish having a problem but I assume that you mean this but that go thought that I thought that that the fun. And very well done you know we hate it more and more you know like what took me what they did well I thought I would now four on an average and that was enough thank you OK Oscar brand will brought his guitar tonight and we spent the whole evening trying to persuade him not to but it is a thing for us the theme. If they'd only fall out of that. Do you know. Thank you thank you. Johann but I don't know Peter and the world very well there are eleven to perform That's right. They just have the music pushed by them before we can stop Mr Hamel How does that tell all interview the beginning well there are several the beginning of it goes through the book. But to me would have said to begin if you mean in the ninth bar that starts this way or both but for football up up up up up up up up up up up up all that in and then the fourth wave I wasn't sure about that left it's an F. yeah well but yeah that's right if it's in there and if you leave the thing if you mean the other thing most people up up up before. But all the rhythm the whole piece of music so we got that up the word to was Hank and turning to the young do you remember how we have to leave it that we all sat on while I was you know that are hung up I see this young How does the top of the tube of the remember that morning and then. Yes I remember it but I can't remember nothing if somebody have things don't remember that I had that almost as much as I do is a very. You know that was that is one that everybody feels they know but when you ask them they have to stop for somebody starting out John remember there are on the ground already that. We have a wonderful player in the fall of Monaco that it was brain he'd. Like you last year with to get back to the program. Yes I remember that Mr Bell did that all the children not only that he not only sang it he played it he narrated it and he danced it was actually I don't see him that it was mobbed it would happen to broadcast the best and only he was doing it for rehearsed live or was actually you know let's get back to our dramatic cast once again we spoke about a beautiful person that you know the bebop feel his one. In more serious music theater within five I should think he would have paid if I did I'd keep playing I once saw a facsimile of one of his counterpoint exercises and believe it or not he made almost as many mistakes about I do but he proved to create but maybe if my father wanted me to be another Mozart and beat me into practice and Handel played over Beethoven with no trouble at all very well done another summer just about overmind of the music going on a month vacation as you know we thought our listeners might appreciate a few suggestions on what to do on these otherwise very dull went that evening so what each of these selections starting to do is to do you hope you'll find something to keep you busy during the fall in New York. Was. Was. I was. But with that they missed their it was to do with deicing would have been a little you got that from. Oh well if I were to think this coming over for a while and practice mental telepathically and Mr Beilin Sheena's in the audience and this is more or less assisted by some of for long distance that it was send the balance in the balance but in very good so much tell me why I missed the handle called me in the ribs and said You ought to know this not that I want to know that all you want to know that's all right that's a folk song and that particular number however here's one for you asking where we've got the ballet to go to this fall what what does this signify you bought. Was. Is this theatre for what I think it's fair to music I recognise it from somewhere and I know if the theater that's all you got to get from me as you were eating your popcorn and settling down for an evening Mr Handel I thought of that was a good good good answer there was a phenomenal answer right his music for the theatre of our own culture and good now here's one for you. Except that we go to an exhibition with them is or we or is it exposition I don't know exactly what kind of an exhibition painting that's around pictures pictures at an exhibition I'm sorry Mr Young how about this one. Because you know let's hear a little more of that I think that was thrown off. It was. Am I supposed to be thinking of our program saying no I don't this to head off we go to war Rodale because that's the Saturday night was from Copenhagen you go to Iran I order Saturday night and then like more information that I have to fill in the values and I'll fall that's right call or write an old saying you know it's not him you know there's no keeping in mind if I want to do folk song innocent of the things we're going to get help with Copeland part a lot of seems to me that's right OK Now we will have the last question of the program known as musical mathematics where we use these pencils that we gave you earlier Now first we put down for this young gentleman the number of tones in the chromatic scale from C. to C.. Other that write down that number of America so you just kind of say That's right and we all have the number the number of don't know what magic feel from C. to C. Now we multiply here they multiply by the number of characters seen in Menotti's opera the telephone. For multiply I'll. Get a multiple a candle setlist and yes I do I look that up earlier so I feel very good I have to remember that we're going to come in handy and I was only there they will go in there with a whole other plot nicely with that yes we subtract the number of saints in three acts what you see subtract all the number of saints in the three acts there are times. Oh right now we add the number of Norwegian loaves. You know after his putting down something you got it all right I believe in the regions of flow America. Are like magic you know very good one mood in no other time or that's wrong now we divide by the number of pray you just one book of the well tempered clavichord. Were divided you divided and divided now you answer me but like I got your answer should be easy to multiplying and dividing your answer should be what it will ask you the question is that that's a formality we have to go through your answer should be the number of symphonies by a French composer of the nineteenth century Just then a French composer of the nineteenth century and that's right show a song you know your own there's one symphony Mr Mr Young Girl Rock was on something I know a lot of but you're right come to think of it because both of them have once I'm not sure song is really a Belgian composer would we have an I garden or no if you know technically you are supposed to be right but Frank is an Alsatian And that's from his brother how did we get mixed up in the rightmost and love attending and now you go to Vincent you mean Vincent there and he wrote you and I was just down to zero OK Well we I think we can accept that you get twenty points for that we're going to break me right now Mr Young really has the right answer now Frank it would have been the answer but I didn't know how many Norwegian modes the word for you what I want the answer if you're struggling to get well I think I think you got it all right Mr Because you had the correct answer and everything and all the headwinds with eighty and Mr Duke and Mr Brad are tied right behind them and we'd like to offer you our very sincere congratulations Mr had a lot of thanks to you going to do a gospel brand and you win a pretty young and as long as we're thanking people we'd certainly like to thank our dramatic cast for the very fine work they've given us during the entire summer and since we're leaving for our vacation for a month now we want to give a very special thank you to you Sylvia Hartman And you David Allen now here again is our announcer. 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