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That you went why see presents international interview produced with the cooperation of the Overseas Press Club of America. This is a series of informal under her interviews on problems and issues of national interest in our panel of newsman and our special guest moderator for this series is Seymour empty here now is Mr SIEGEL How do you do that isn't gentleman welcomed into the national interview we have as our guest on this edition of the national interview the permanent representative of new power to the United Nations is excellently ambassador apud door. To embezzle welcome to IN THE ACTUAL interview to question the bias of the as a distinguished panel of newsmen who will manage to do stem cell. I'm James Sheldon Frazier of the Overseas Press Club columnist for any and I and other agencies I'm Ted Morello United Nations correspondent for the Pakistan times I'm sorry we're four with the San Francisco news now representing the Senate in the UK We hear all the work on these goals and thank you very much the first question for Mr Shelton Mr Ambassador we had the pleasure of interviewing you here about a year ago I remember I asked you a question what is the possible usefulness of a small nation in the United Nations that's been pretty much answered You are now member of the Security Council how does it feel to be a member of the Security Council as a representative of one of the smaller nations. It is a great responsibility and actually the United Nations that motorists a lot of nations would be there so. They increase. Did you. Vote for more members so the necessary. Off. More members was being fed within the United Nations and we are glad to be in there are actually taking the seat of India thank you for your help thank you. Very big wonder this. Question for Mr Marone job after out of one hundred twenty three in the general assembly for the Security Council. The five. Permanent nonpermanent members of the Security Council your. Government received the highest number one hundred twenty. How do you account for the fact that Nepal considering its small size and considering also the fact that the charter makes a provision that in the election for the Security Council due regard shall be specially paid to the those countries which contribute particularly to the maintenance of peace and security how do you account for the fact in Nepal rather than for example Indonesia or some larger country which certainly has the capacity or would seem to have the capacity for contributing to the maintenance of international peace was chosen. I guess if these. Are. Yet. To be of various interventions within the United Nations. And are not aligned foreign policy. With his Majesty's Government doesn't it possible that was. A decade well. There where few internet. That Ferenc is a like the Bendel Belgrade. Carol. We have participated in as a matter of fact in two of those in Belgrade Majesty the King and. Leading the delegation and. So our foreign policy protection was well received throughout the world. And it specially by the affirmation nation. Feel good with coming from all the men but in every top that is in the election. Question for Mr Berger we can only gather that this election to this extent so much that the security comes and gives me by such a large number indicates that they're looking to the power for some real contribution. But I bought a business like that how would use how would you in a situation was free tonsil where the larger powers are loggerheads as an example I don't think in specific but. Do you feel that since you will have a wonder one vote you're going to have to riot on consultations from larger powers I would gather my writing this is something that we're going to look to larger power for guidance or are there certain stands on certain problems if you're a very poor way to stand on that it would be a very wrong thing because we had a nonaligned Next we do not like to lean on a lot of the politics one Bob We do not have any. Loyalty to any bloc big or small. So our. Any problem in the Security Council as the elsewhere would be to judge. Every problem every minute without. Any. Fear or favor from any clue what. That we are doing that trying to do we follow the same thing in the Security Council. Of course consultation accommodation I'm from issues already there always a bit in any conference. But we like to continue. That way. Questions Mr Schoen perhaps the fact that you have a democratic government under a limited monarchy had something to do with it we've just been through an election here how how do you conduct your elections in that part. Conception of one man one vote but we have your four sisters. We stop. From the visit the village. Elders of the is would select the village by. The group of villages by. The district. Under group this stick with the said that the general. Would select the next. Bunch from the nest of. His master the king dog his ministers for the cabinet. Because we have a prime minister released the cabinet. Question for Mr Monroe Mr Ambassador one of the most compelling issue was before the Security Council one of the I'm sure you're going to have to deal with after January first is going to be that of the Middle East now in your what we might call your post keynote speech before the twenty third General Assembly on October fifteenth you took what certainly a balanced position as between Israel and the Arab countries you said on the one hand that Israel certain had the right to exist as a state on the other hand you said that you did not recognize that you did call for withdrawal of forces of occupation forces from the Arab territories now Furthermore you cited which is what is a basic document in November one thousand nine hundred seven resolution on this now you realize that resolution makes both of these points but on the other hand doesn't say what should happen first that is to say whether the Arab countries should fulfill their part of the what the resolution calls for or with Israel should withdraw first. How do you see this these the first step being resolved here going to move first in. This nut. And being second it is simultaneous Well no it's not really because remember Ambassador Riyad has the foreign minister Riad rather of the way our Has has said that he is willing to let the. Ambassador yarning. The great general's representative in Italy set a timetable not a timetable presupposes that something is going to happen first and something is going to happen second so it. Would seem not to be a simultaneous thing do you think that that there is some possibility of or perhaps a partial withdrawal in exchange for some partial confession on the part of the Arabs something like this is going that is a matter that the details of. Actually on principle that acceptance that. The withdraw all. Pseudo also he started it can't happen. That's deliberate lie there must be time for withdrawal because anything the last time and that he could unleash in question is also. Lied to unless. The existence is accepted the negotiation doesn't go on. So the negotiation is up to my mind is just sub of accepting the existence. To which there was a subject for this if you want with I understand that what you're saying is that if the Arab countries and Israel will sit down and negotiate that this in your mind is the beginning step and. I've heard of some possible compromise as to the withdrawal of troops of the very troops and returning certain portions I suppose that assuming that this negotiation is on the way because I grew this must be the first step I think it's a partial recognition on the part of the Arab countries that Israel exists and must that will continue to exist but suppose that Israel wants to return only a portion of it is this growing in your opinion going to be a some part of a solution not that there's a solution but it is a part of the possibility of a solution that is was a sign we will pull our troops back to this line not all the way back. We were given let's say we were not let's say you're back it may say we're not going back to the Arab portion of Jerusalem that's mostly made that Israel has a prime factor in its is is this a possibly a breakdown I mean and you're dealing with the Arab countries as a negotiator as a observer a neutral observer do you think that the are willing to accept this kind of partial return. You know the pots in return. Is another card read because the what I was referring to what Derek Stein planning to make it look draws Boston withdrawal is no solution. Because it is not just yet it doesn't solve the problem the problem you still. See easy stick to what the sub but it is not a solution and it is bought to a very hot wax. Continuing on its most to show containing on the same top would you believe Mr Ambassador of the a permanent settlement there would require some give and take about boundaries I have in mind for example what happened with your neighbor India when they took over go up. Everybody pretty much agreed that. It just wouldn't work to have a little enclave like that separate from the major countries isn't there a parallel perhaps in the case of Jerusalem that it's got to be one sitting on one side or the other I. Don't think some adjustments like that will have to be made if we're getting a firm basis for peace in the Middle East no I dis Sufiah vestment soon remain open the need is up to the gun body to negotiate between themselves and it is not a thing to be of. From outside and everybody knows that with a very sad day for so many already and their followers would like to have a fear. Or. Some sort of. International. Would have to be warned. That. Whenever there is this call. Did it eery boundary comes out. Otherwise you would. Start discussion. Question for Mr Morality Mr Ambassador we're soon going to be debating the China question again in the General Assembly your position was made clear again in your October fifteenth in the polls October fifteenth speech that you were in favor of universality which means essentially membership for the Peoples Democratic Republic of China or mainland China do you. In view of the fact that the picking the government has not shown any inclination to be a member of the United Nations in fact is quite to the contrary Could you tell me why countries such as yours which are in favor of this nation continue to push this item year after year. China is a big country. And he has. A legit image right to be in the United Nations. Including the Security Council bottle and member. The United Nation is very much in need of China. China may not be in need of the United Nations because our experience. Off of being kept out of it. Might have acclimatized. To remain aloof and I would be from it but as we see it United Nations is very much in the left. But you put yourself in the position not of admitting China but appealing to it to join the United Nations that's not so it is not an ideal it is realizing that any big problem. We share walk. In the world today cannot be resolved without the participation of middle level time. Question for Mr Molder I'd like to go back to move if we could to the structure consists of how it works. And that is a Democratic majority the. Governing the elected governing body the little veto power over your money. Versus the. Sovereign is the fountain head. Silence that's it. Would be nice and so then all things are going to be resolved by everything if there is conflict within your intellect the brawny the new is the resolution of that. But that was my want to make that strengthen the. Question for Mr Schoeman there is another set of Security Council resolutions on which I suppose something's got done sharply the ones relative to Africa about apartheid in South Africa and the status of South West Africa the Rhodesian question. What do you foresee on. Those questions. Those questions of moment this thing but. As a matter of fact I have the moment I myself I'm the acting chairman of the site. And. We think that this. Policy I'd follow in that part of the world. Even after adding to the union region if there. Is a criminal lack. That has to. I'm very. Sure that question is into the link between South Africa. So one company been stopped so there was a time when they were not complimentary. To each other but as time goes on the ties between that. Gets closer and pharma. It is high time that something. Is being what up. Therefore there is a. Major. Disaster. In that part of what you think will be more progress toward a quick effective sanctions on what. We hope that sanctions would work. Out expediency he has a. Question for Mr. Mr Ambassador your government has made taken a very positive view on the CRE on the nonproliferation of nuclear weapons it is said actually that the machinery is set up to ratify. As you know the thing that seems to be holding that up as a ratification by Washington. Do you see any prospect do you feel that the greedy is dead in view of the fact that there have been certain events primarily that of Czechoslovakia which have at least slowed down ratification in Washington or do you feel that that eventually it will go ahead obviously it can't be. Activated without the ratification Washington on the provisions but do you think that there's something like almost ninety countries I believe which have signed. I think only one Ireland was the last and I remember correctly ratified do you think the other countries may go ahead and ratify without the United States and simply wait for a signature. I think that it is this also has more of obligation. To ratify. Because of the. Fact that the two superpowers. Where. That close births are the driving force stuff that they're making up my distinct. And some certain regions. Here's the thing that back fat. It was a. Tragic tale. Get very sad even in the present day history. Questions Mr Margaret I realize that my questions were some little after the site but wrong was the conservation. We did have a campaign here in this country where we had two men proposing to everyone saying sign the treaty now when things don't sign now let's wait and see. If this particular we're not sure who was elected. But if we're putting it this time. How could your current which which of the two men in the driving forces in this country which would you have assumed elected. Was better with I don't like to take sides and be in love in internal politics of another friendly country we don't like any friendly country to. Get involved in our own but if. That shows that edification. Ratification of the Nonproliferation Treaty we have to hear that after all. Of the one who eats far. Question from a showman. I'm interested in the question of the refugees which our country has played so far as help for the relief SARS what's developing in that field. The if you'd said it isn't there now it takes. The. Past history but. A trickle make it. Happen sometimes which is not measured from. Refuse ease of war I've decided to leave. You know our country. Well look they have employment. They have jobs and they're doing well and those who like to go. Somewhere they have gone there. And those who wanted to get back to Tibet is. A few of them have gone back to help to resettle a large number of Europe. Like to feel. Question for Mr. Understand that there are you. Have called for the admission on some bases rather possibly on that there are state of the divided state that is to say North and South Korea North Vietnam East and West Germany. This this proposal course has been around some time to create generally thought himself has been pushing for this thing. For some years do you see any any prospect of this happening is there been any change since the first proposed some years ago by secretary general and others that. These devices will be all they had then. Too. Unless you are how. Good the progress would be. On that now. From best request really bring this interview to a close I take great many as we went along and you told us that it's a great responsibility a member of the Security Council the necessity for more representation by smaller countries has been felt at the United Nations you said and for more there since last year you took the place and then the. Your effort to make a substantial contribution to peace you told us as well as your participation in many international conferences. As well as the goodwill coming from all members and they were due to be elected to the Security Council in your view. You as a chair not aligned in you don't like to leave the really the large powers in coming to any decisions you said the general public to debate and judge every case of its own merits without fear of Trevor. From any quarter the worst like. The masthead of one of the I'm standing this paper is. For to feel on the other hand that consultation and possibly accommodation is always there do you like to but on the other hand you like to open up to the judgement. Would be good he'll voting as to your election system in the power you tell us that this is really on a one man one vote concept that you. Start out with the local village which is which elected representatives which in turn this group represents a district representative over and finally from the National Group His Majesty the King the police his ministers. And so far as the Middle East situation is concerned you tell us you think the both Israel and the USA are should move simultaneously on principle you feel that the withdrawal will require time the recognition question you said was quite vital but negotiation when you have you is a form of accepting the existence of Israel. The partial return to move the current at territories in your view is not correct use of the solution it doesn't solve the problem you told us it's only a step you failed an adjustment must remain open that nothing can be imposed from the outside as some sort of a rational approach would have to be worked out. You tell us of as far as China is concerned that this is a big country in that they certainly have a legitimate right to membership in the United Nations that also as a matter of fact as a permanent member of the United of the Security Council you feel that the United Nations is a need of China Mr is not necessarily a leader of the United Nations that any problem of peace or war you have you cannot be settled without the participation of women with children. You want to have as we will one that your sovereign is the fountain head of all power and the power of Constitutionally he has the corner will suck. You tell us that you're acting is the chairman of a committee of apartheid that you think the policy of apartheid is a crew act there's got to go in very soon in your view that South Africa and Portugal and Rhodesia compliment each other and it's high time that something affective was worked out before a major disaster took place in that part of the world and so far as the nonproliferation treaty is concerned you said that you feel the United States has a model obligation. To ratify that treaty because the United States has it was one of the driving forces behind it you don't take sides of domestic politics or seven supplies United States is concerned but. Everybody in support of the ratification treaty goes you favor the presidential candidate who played with us ratification you helped to resettle large numbers of conventional refugees in the country. Assumes represents what your views are do you agree. It is going to want to thank you very much and best of cooperate with and course of the distinguished members of our panel on the Sea World again next week. W N Y C As presented international interview produced in cooperation with the Overseas Press Club of America a moderator for the series is Seymour and Siegel and his guest for this program was ambassador to a country a minute representative from the Paul to the United Nations. Our panel of newsman included James Sheldon columnist for the N A N eight and other publications. And U.N. correspondent for the Pakistan times and Simon formerly with the San Francisco news now with the San Jose Mercury News. Be with us again next week at this time for another international interview. His program was produced by Sylvia tater and was directed by Jon Benet.