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How do you do ladies and gentlemen this is Seymour Siegel inviting you to join us in the prime year of international interview this is our new radio press conference program it's one of several W. N.Y.C. programs designed to keep New Yorkers fully informed about rapidly changing world events we feel fortunate in having been able to enlist the cooperation of the Foreign Press Association. In presenting this series and we're glad to to have as our first guest they distinguished and again cabinet minister and chairman of the Indian delegation to the United Nations list of Ek crushed them by not interviewing Mr Kersten a man on as a panel of newspaper man representing the price of various countries members of the Foreign Press Association and now to and reduce our distinguished guest and the members of the panel here as our moderator Colonel Joseph Hamer fate times are and director of the Columbia University's Scholastic Press Association Colonel Murphy thank you Mr Siegel our guest newsman in this first international interview I miss Arnie jest my of Le Monde of Paris Henry and Pachter of the Deutsche site and on virtue of seitan Obs got Eric Beder of the London Times and each E.M.I. of the ASA he of Tokyo answering our questions is the Indian cabinet minister and chairman of the Indian delegation to the United Nations V.K. Krishna men on after India achieved their independence in one nine hundred forty seven Mr Christian a man on was appointed special embassador ought to contact European governments for the establishment of diplomatic relations with the new India. He served as India's first high commissioner in the United Kingdom in the United Nations Mr Christian a man known as played a major role in reducing international tension at the seventh general assembly of the United Nations he put forward the plan for the solution of the problem of Korean prisoners of war which ultimately formed the basis of agreement between the two sides in February of this year Mr Christian a man on was appointed a minister in the Cabinet of the Indian government to open our international interview of Mr Christian imam on here and now is Mr Gates he in my of the ASA he of Tokyo. According to this morning newspaper prime minister narrow one of the strongest Iraq and on the western military alliance is why he didn't invite such disparate from the prime minister because it is due to the alliance ask for the solution of past new disputes either through the United Nations or by directly which is a common method before I answer this question Matt take a second that I'm happy to be on the Civic pride gusting system and racist as one man one was wouldn't get another grating. And. To enable listeners to hear more about the world more the about each other I hope the better now with regard to this question has a number of questions all in the one so I have a clue that I get if I understand you right. The back of your mind the feeling or if you put it forward that but it knows speech was provoked provoked by the references to Kashmir now the actual facts are that this speech is a statement of facts and views which have been held for a long time. The inclusion of the reference to Kashmir in the Seattle communique is that item by itself it would be a mistake to think that this rest of the statement that I use is from any publication and it's very considered view that the system of blocks of tax and military alliances are not contribute to peace and there's nothing new in it but he was engaged in a debate on foreign policy and the statement of our government of yours Mr Ritter. Your prime minister. Recent developments in Soviet Russia represent a return to what he called some kind of normalcy. Would you think of the latest the banking of the Stalin legend is in keeping with this return to normalcy and what are the facts likely to be. Make two observations first of all you can't expect me to speak for my prime minister. I will the best I can to enable. Listeners to understand what you have in mind Secondly you're quite entitled to use whatever phrase Yalit you like but don't let my ancestors regard it as subscribing to the way sport. Because what my prime minister said when he returned from Russia not now and that's very important either the changes in Russia but of a permanent character. From the economic political and other developments of a country where you know what that is that is that and yes now with regard to the views expressed by the president leaders of Russia in the dark of the Saddam regime. Far as that I didn't see of suppression of liberties and of one man role and all those other thing that you would I I hope your government does agree with I think the thing to be welcomed. And my prime ministers of you I understand it rightly the that in all these matters when you see some sign of progress it is an hour to be cynical about it of course one should not so throw caution to the winds no way Spurs and thus but if you always say that everything is new you should have a bigger snare I believe the trap then in the end we find trapped by our own construction of these things that are certain risks you have to take in the world cooperation and went also look at the other side that these men who are now come forward to this I haven't seen the text that I've only seen as a boy the same as you have. I think they have shown some courage in coming out in that way and taken the responsibility of persuading the people something different to what they had been persuaded all these years I don't know what I want so the question there are no then you take the charitable approach in international relations I think if I may I don't pursue him to take what you call a territorial approach because it may be construed as an assumption of superiority but I hope I try to take time to take effect real or realistic approach. Thank you Mr factor have your questions are coming back to Mystery my question I'd like to ask you. Whenever your country is developing ideas concerning collective security in the Asiatic. Sphere it seems to me or I have some difficulty in understanding the neutralised attitude which you are taking I respected her but I don't understand it please. Stand me I'm there I respect it but I don't quite see. Why you object to certain security measures which are taken in these areas which obviously considering the strengths of the new engine These are the other countries certainly will not affect your own security. But at the same time you are not cooperating with other nations or. Groups of other nations in establishing your own security. Well come up again we have totally different questions I'll do the best I can. It would be correct to say that we are not participating in collective security or we stand aside from collective security that much depends upon what you are mean by security. You may think that the building of our lawns and. Being offensive to each other or talent in each other or put example to what you said most editable view of it negotiating from behind a wall of strength. And using deterrence that may be one form of collective security on the other hand be the extension of the areas of understanding what many call collective peace but then collective preparedness for war in level blocks may be out approach to collective security security lies does not security like even more than the famine is about neighbors upon an approach to them that is violence possibly a big solution but of course there's no guarantee that other methods will be like for real God collective peace extension the areas of peace leaving other people to their own own ideas and their own integrity that is probably the way and. Then I think. You referred to our standing aloof in this matter I don't think that in the history of the last six or seven years in stand aloof in Korea or in the china nor in assisting to that next in the lowering of of tensions even under God to the relation between them that is China and the United States not even our own problems. That is much friction we try a spot as we can minute always succeed in trying to resolve some other way so that for a young country like ours in a nation like ours I should say our country but a young nation like ours. Last seven or eight years even though we may have failed whether it be in the field of these matters that mentioned or in the field victims of bizarre moment or of promulgating ideas and thank you sir for the reference you made to them I don't think the non-cooperative. But you can only cooperate effectively on the line that you understand which proceeds from your historic background from what you consider to be ethical and right and what is more so far as we concerned you cannot establish quite dense may long means and the ideal approach which is your heritage over many centuries is not one that is sympathetically understood by other nations Well again I don't want to split words in this we don't regard as an ideal a poet an ideal in the sense something that is so distant that not capable of achieving this is the more factual achievement after all we are coming to that you know because country a piled up bombs in the hope that will deter country B. Now two can play this game one of the dead and that's the question that's the question perhaps missed just minus a question that might apply here again I question. A man means a lot for the moment and there's something further Don't let us forget that sometimes in the attempt to secure the established what we call freedom individual liberty this that the other noble thing like stimulus average we all agreed we may in establishing that destroy the very thing that we are trying to establish that a little salt of water peddlers of the engendering of hate He's the condensor he see it and then the hate then to slow it down and then I must take a more moderate I did You will find suspicions and fears and so on what is world suffers from most of the country and mile everybody else is fear unless we can get rid of fear we can get in co-operation. Sorry. I wanted to know about yet if you think that if more hydrogen bomb tests are to be made in the Marshall Islands there is more danger now than there was in one thousand before for the population of the island and if so what could be done about that as the bouncing ball seems to be bigger and bigger. Well I think there's nothing you can say about this country myself personally our government has been in favor and I've been trying little best to try and suggest that this explosion degenerate may be suspended maybe an installment towards reconsideration of problems after all the worlds and world knows enough I didn't powers know enough. And have enough equipment to work at radio havoc do you and by the more about that for a start necessary now with regard to this particular question the Marshall Islands it is not merely the matter or the hybrid in Moment atomic power these Marshall Islands though they are thousands of islands in the heart of a Pacific are the homes all those people and their posterity and the United Nations to please speaks of them as a sacred trust and I say that even in the interests of world security we have no right and I say we've got all of us not only people exploded because of the old Russian responsibility we have no right to destroy their homes except with their own consent which they have been given they have now sent a protest to United Nations about it and then of course there are countries like Japan not represented the United Nations who are very very near most personnel those populations have been affected by it. I can't leave believes that these explosions in any part of the world by who were made in the present moment are something that ought to be stopped and he suggested the last United Nations that the Russians and Americans should get together and then go shit about suspending the God of the Marshall Islands you add another element after all no one can argue that climate can be a part of stewardship to destroy what you are what your god. There's an earlier question that perhaps this suggestion thing else do you Mystery my reference is made to the Japanese in you. According to the reports. In our paper. You are going to appeal to the international court no we. Are members of the First District Council and then why that last year the year before last and these matters schema when the Japanese people expressed that opinion and when the fisherman on that ship missed all the floods don't play good but unfortunately one. Was. Affected by this fall outs and so on and on the general issue we said we didn't go to the extreme of saying stop these explosions but that was stopped at just business we said let us get a legal opinion from the World Court whether somebody without After looking after something I thought the right to strike that is to say that legality and advice and opinion on the knee Galatea you think that it just did it because these are not these are not done under this to D.D. provisions in this case in a border security council. These are not done in order to protect the interests of Marshallese. These are not done under any of the from regions in the charter but under the clause the definitely provides as to what can be done for example raising people one and two years for the defense and really important this and so on and so on this is something that is start included and it was not included in time when the atomic business was already known so we said. Let's invade all law abiding people why not get there by stripping him from the international court after the like of wrongness and unfortunately suggested we made were defeated by the vote so that ministry in countries. Will come up again now because there's a petition in the Marshallese people first of all saying please don't make it explosions and then they're there now look to the second best and they say if you will decide in the interest of the whole of the world right of course they don't stop it then it invade Greece and take measures of precaution and the United States says it has raised no objection whatsoever to be being considered as this person sitting on the Trusteeship Council in fact they came forward and said We asked this to be inscribed as an item for discussion basically to put forward their own point of view and not much as are being taken. Mr Reza Bretta. I'm a change of subject. I think the United Nations will now have. Played a very prominent part in colonial issues that are now with the membership of the United Nations is seven to six or nothing to the number of new Haitian African countries do you think that in the near future the next session there's going to be intensified and bitter debate on this question of the have nots in the club. Do you think that this thing will sort of because of the general mood of the liberation of former colonial people part of one part of the question I can answer very easily tactically my delegation of government allegation of India will not take part in any and bitter debate which will introduce no bitterness into the debate our contribution outputs position of the United Nations has been to play a recognized fully in advance to what self-government that is made anywhere and if you had the opportunity to appeal to the press doesn't take much notice of the proceedings that of ship Council because it is not a place of a man bites dog. And that is. The statement made on behalf of my delegation by me three or four days ago in about the British policy in what is called the plus territory a British program for my judgment by the former German toggle and I'm not aware that the camera lens will be pointed out how the whole of the thing was moving forward and that's what we are not in to snuff little questions but just to assist in the process of development. What we do when we bring this up here is not to make the United Nations or that kind of super government over the colonial a product but under the provisions of the charter by seeking information by the fighting two fundamental violations or even more as in the case of some other areas. As the point focal point was that maybe that outbreak of violence as to endangered world peace then we erase it and you would agree that our position that either you medically or politically is not as strong as that of the colonial powers that have changed nine hundred seventy six countries which the majority will exclude no issue countries African countries well over countries I had depends upon the calculations you make but I hope you are right but all issues how will strongly we may feel about them if we are going to get any better must be dealt with by moderation does not mean that has suddenly that you must propose a moderate solution or even accept a moderate to start sometimes you cannot begin to principles but the approach must be moderate one and opposition in the Guard all matters. Specifically mention them has been like that but you know the only way to foster moderation is to is to look at denies them this is the deepest atrocity that. You have a question detector. Well. Following up on history of colonialism. It is easy to see that all former colonial countries are still ridden by fear of colonialism even where it might seem to us as observers that this fear is should be a thing of the past. I'm going to have people to master that you're just now referring to the engine philosophy which wants to get rid of this fear but it seems to me if I look at the. Four year plan that was recently published which is a highly interesting document. That there again the fear of old fashioned economic colonialism. Plays a really great role. Because the way you're trying to finance this plan seems to exclude foreign investment all at least to discourage it will see time as much you know on the time it's marching on so so that I must know that it's copyright. I can therefore go into the details of this but I could replace it would be another to think that any approach we make in our economic development is based upon fear you may have concerns you may have things that you should gotta get no country that's politically free want to slip into economic domination in fact the purpose of political liberty is to obtain a degree of economic progress and all the consequence of that follow from my studies nothing in our five year plan which is based upon fear. I'm sorry gentlemen and lady but our time is up tonight's premiere of international interview featured the Indian cabinet minister and chairman of the Indian delegation to the United Nations Mr the K. Krishna men on joining in the questioning with Mr Wrenn a guest marvel of land of Paris Henry M. Pachter the Dutch is item on which shop site and state got Eric Britain or of the London Times and Geechee Emad all the ASA he of Tokyo You've been listening to international interview broadcast live from your city station our moderator was Colonel Joseph M. Murphy director of the Columbia Scholastic Press Association we are interested in your reaction to these top level press conferences and your cards and letters to international interview W N Y C New York seven New York and join us again next Wednesday at eight thirty when Mrs Eleanor Roosevelt's is our guest in international interview the opening portion of the program was presented transcribed international interview is presented by your city station in cooperation with the Foreign Press Association and is produced by MARY MCDONALD This is the municipal Broadcasting System.