The COVID-19 pandemic has laid bare some of the biggest injustices of mass incarceration in America. Scott Hechinger has been a public defender in Brooklyn for almost a decade and is currently the founder and director of the organization, Zealous. He joins us to discuss two projects: Gasping for Justice and 132 Calls, which are both part of the organization's broader efforts to amplify the experiences of people who are directly impacted by mass criminalization. He is joined by Cassandra Greer-Lee, whose husband passed away from COVID-19 in Cook County jail in Chicago.